Joiner scheduled for The 21st Annual Ozark UFO Conference
Angelia Joiner has been invited to speak again this year at The 21st Annual Ozark UFO Conference at the Inn of the Ozarks Convention Center in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. The conference will be held (Easter weekend) April 10-12, 2009.
The program will include lectures and audiovisual presentations on various topics of the UFO subject.
Also speaking at the event: Grant Cameron – Winnipeg, Canada, Dr. Joseph P. Farrell – Sioux Falls, SD, Timothy Good – Kent England, Linda Moulton Howe – Albuquerque, New Mexico, Dr. Paul LaViolette – Athens, Greece, Ted Phililps – Red Springs, Missouri, Wendell Stevens – Tucson, Arizona, and Nancy Talbott – Cambridge, Maine.
The Conference will begin at 1:00 PM on Friday, April 10th, and will conclude at noon on Sunday, April 12th. Registration will begin at 8:00 AM on Friday.
The registration fee for the Ozark UFO Conference is $45.00 per person, if paid in advance or $50.00 at the door. Registration fees (check/money order; no credit cards) should be made payable to OZARK UFO CONFERENCE FUND and may be mailed with the completed registration form below to: Ozark UFO Conference, #2 Caney Valley Drive, Plumerville, AR 72127-8725
Additional information may be obtained by calling (501)354-2558 or by e-mail at ozarkufo@webtv.net .
Noted Reporter, ‘Angelia Joiner’ to Attend San Jose Symposium
By Sherry Boardman
7-19-08
Former Stephenville, Texas, Empire-Tribune newspaper reporter Angelia Joiner will attend the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) 39th International UFO Symposium in San Jose, California, July 24-27.
Her dedication and quest for answers regarding the Texas incident resulted in the Stephenville Lights: A Comprehensive Radar and Witness Report Study, compiled by Glen Schulze, radar analyst, and Robert Powell, the current Director of Research at MUFON. The report is now being picked up by major networks around the world and will be reviewed in depth at the San Jose Symposium.
Joiner garnered fame after reporting the Jan. 8, 2008, sightings of unusual lights over Erath County, Texas. Her factual and straight-forward style of reporting brought accolades from around the world. Invitations to share her experiences as the journalist who “broke the story” have been continual.
She has appeared twice on Larry King Live, was a guest on Coast to Coast AM, interviewed by Dr. Laurie Nadal, The Sixth Sense, and on numerous local and foreign radio and television broadcasts. Among those interviewed by Joiner have been Dr. Lynn Kitei, “The Phoenix Lights, We Are Not Alone,” and Robert Emenegger.
The reporter was invited to serve as a panelist at the National Press Conference following her presentation at the Washington, D.C. Paradigm’s Research Group’s Conference and was a presenter at the Ozark Conference.
Joiner will be available for interviews during the Symposium and a question and answer session following the Press Conference. She may be contacted in advance to schedule individual appointments Thursday night through Saturday morning at: www.stephenvillelights.com, ajoiner@nctv.com.
Angelia Joiner’s Interview with Dr. Lynne Kitei at the 2008 X-Conference
Written by Angelia Joiner
Friday, 25 April 2008
Special Correspondent
The Jerry Pippin Show
[SinglePic not found]Angelia – I’m here with Dr. Lynne Kitei at The X-Conference, and this woman has an amazing story. She has an amazing movie out, she’s already had an amazing book, and it’s been great to meet her and visit with her. Now Lynne, what brings you to this conference?
Lynne – Actually, we’re so proud. This has been a labor of love and also a work in progress for the last …for me, it’s been eleven years…but for the documentary, it’s been for the last four years. We just signed with a wonderful distributor, Vanguard Cinema, to get it out internationally. It’s time. It wasn’t really ready before. We’ve added new sightings, new interviews, new data, and now it is just such a joy to be able to share. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell is in it ..he’s wonderful..as well as a 911 police operator who has come forward recently, to say that not only did they get hundreds of calls… but she really confirmed what thousands of other witnesses have shared that they saw during the Mass Sighting. For anybody who doesn’t know what the Mass Sighting was, it was March 13th, 1997, while thousands of people were outside looking purposely at the sky at the Hale-Bopp Comet, a mile to two-mile wide triangular formation of lights appeared above them. Some people saw lights that “seemed to be” attached to something; other people saw a craft; some people saw a boomerang shape; others saw an arrowhead shape. The bottom line, maybe we will never know if it was a parade of different objects throughout the state from as early as 5 PM to 2 in the morning or if it was one object because most people saw it at a very low altitude, going about 30 mph – some people did see it take off at a tremendous speed. Incredible technology, to be sure. But across the board, it was totally, totally silent. A spectacular sighting that not only has become historic in the annals of ufology and certainly unexplained mass sightings but to this day, still unexplained. That cannot be denied.
Angelia – That’s right and I’ve noticed the same thing about witnesses in Stephenville. We’ve had reports of low-flying, one said it was slow, another report says, “Oh, it took off at 3,000 mph,” at least that was Steve Allen, the pilot’s, estimation. So we do seem to have people that see different things even though it’s during the same time period so it does make you wonder, is there more than one type of craft going on at the same time there. Now this documentary was based on your book that came out in 2004, is that right?
Lynne – Correct. I had stayed anonymous. I had no interest or knowledge in this topic at all, before both my husband who is also a physician and I had a very close sighting to our home in 1995. I happened to get pictures of it because it was so extraordinary, I figured nobody is going to believe it unless I document it on film and I wondered for two years what this advanced technology was doing in a private, gated, mountainside community. There was no way it was military. That’s for sure. Underline, underline, underline. And then two years later, lo and behold they came back again and I started documenting them again two months before the Mass Sighting confirmed the next morning by air-traffic controllers at the airport as in Class B airspace, which is restricted airspace. So there is no way again that the military would have been there and not called in to the tower to tell them that they were there and they had no idea what it was as well. And then two months later, the Mass Sighting happened and actually the video, (there are only a handful of videos) and in my video are lights like a giant triangle and again the next morning confirmed by air-traffic controllers did not show up on radar and in Class B airspace once again. So we have had lots of confirmation that something strange was really happening throughout the state. Many similar things by the way, to the Stephenville Sighting with the orbs and the triangular craft.
Angelia – And another similarity would be the total silence. No one heard anything. With something this massive, you would just automatically assume there would be some sort of noise with it and there was nothing, just total silence.
Lynne – Yes, even scientists…I mean this sighting was seen by a plethora and a spectrum of all types of people, from children to teachers to baseball coaches to lawyers, doctors, scientists, military pilots and those that really had a background even in geology and science and optical physicists that saw it, said it was like nothing they had ever seen before. Across the board, every single one. Not only could they not believe it was silent and so immense that it couldn’t stay up due to gravity. It’s quite spectacular when you really start talking in great detail to witnesses that truly have a background in physics and so forth that just couldn’t believe what they were seeing.
Angelia – So with all of the intensive research that you did to find out exactly what might be going on, now you’re convinced, you must be convinced: the name of the movie is, “The Phoenix Lights, We are Not Alone.” You don’t believe we’re alone.
Lynne – Well that’s a good question, Angelia, because I when I started out I did not want to come forward. I stayed anonymous for seven years and once I started looking for a logical explanation for what I had witnessed and photographed, I found a whole new world that opened up to me that ultimately I wrote a 750-page journal and I had to decide what I was going to do with it and I continued to photograph the strange phenomenon and after much soul-searching, in good conscience I couldn’t stick what I had in a drawer. It was too important not to share. So I squeezed down the most important, credible data that I had found to 220 pages. The book is called, “The Phoenix Lights, A Skeptic’s Discovery that We Are Not Alone,” and then started on the documentary and it’s actually helped people transform as well, because once it sinks in – and it took a long time for me, so I can certainly appreciate other skeptics or people that really need to see the data, the data speaks for itself. At this point I am pretty convinced that we are not alone.
Angelia – What was your worry with coming forward? I know you did a lot of interviews and things and you were known as “Dr. X, “so what was your worry about putting your name out?
Lynne – I was very content to just put the photographs and the footage out there so people could see what we saw. That was really what was most important, to raise the consciousness that something really spectacular happened. What I was seeing, and this in ’97 when people started coming forward, at that point people were still into the ridicule and the snickering and the criticism, and some people actually got discredited for coming forward, including Jim Delatosa, one of the investigators, as well as Frances Farwood, I mean she just asked innocently – she didn’t even see the sighting but because so many of her constituents had asked her about it. Why isn’t there an investigation? She mentioned it in a Council meeting and boy, she had a lot of courage because once she did that it just opened Pandora’s Box. I mean, jokes were made in the newspaper, etc, etc. So what I was seeing what would happen to people who came forward was that it wasn’t a pretty picture. And I wanted to do my own homework; I didn’t know what we were dealing with. Was it a hoax, was it military or whatever?
As an educator, and I should add that it’s pretty ironic that I’ve been devoting my life’s work to community education for over thirty years, sharing the reality of vital health issues, when this fell in my lap, I knew I had to educate myself first (I knew nothing about this topic) before I could educate others.. certainly was still looking for a logical explanation…and once I couldn’t find one and went to extreme lengths to do that, at university level, University of Arizona Optical Science Department, Geology, Anthropology, Astronomy Departments, Brooks Institute of Photography and of course not only was I being told that no one ever in history had photographed these global unexplained phenomena prior to, during, and after an historic mass sighting, but that they didn’t know what to do with it! We don’t have the technology yet, to definitively define what these things are. But that doesn’t mean they are not real. You know, it took seventeen centuries for humankind, after the discovery of the microscope, the invention of the microscope to realize there are zillions of tiny organisms all around us, even in our bodies. And just recently, in recent years, they found that every cell has electromagnetic energy around it, which helped us develop the MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machine to detect disease non-invasively, which is wonderful. Well, just because we can’t see these tiny, living entities, or electromagnetic energy or radio waves or whatever, doesn’t mean they are not real. We might just be looking on the AM dial for an FM frequency.
Angelia – That’s right. I agree with that, totally. Now, we here at The X-Conference really had a treat last night and Dr.Kitei showed the movie for everyone to see and everyone just came away with great comments about how well done this movie is. What’s your goal with putting out this movie? What would you like to see happen?
Lynne – We’re pretty proud. It’s actually being released nationally in all DVD outlets, Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, retail stores, by Vanguard Cinema April 22nd. We’re thrilled – but I just want to get the information out there and hopefully people will actually look at it. One of the other goals is, not only to raise awareness and to educate others but to get it into the classroom. One of the things that really touched me and prompted me to do this – actually it’s not only been my work for thirty years but it’s being distributed on television..AIDS and substance abuse prevention education. This really needs to get into schools too. I realized when I was invited to speak in a middle school while I was deciding whether to leave my job… I was invited to a school where there were over 200 students on the edge of their chairs. You could hear a pin drop. They thirst for this knowledge and I realize that there is a chunk of history missing from our history books. So I hope just as these phenomena are touching one person at a time worldwide, waking them up, not only to their presence but a very important message here as well as to what we’re doing to the planet and to ourselves but hopefully the book and the documentary will start raising awareness and waking people up, to take away that veil of secrecy and educate people to what’s really going on.
Angelia – Because I am also a teacher, just before I left to go to the Ozark Conference I did a little presentation for a fifth-grade classroom for a teacher that’s a friend of mine and I used the power point that I used here for my lecture and I was just amazed at these little fifth-graders, they’re ten years old – they knew who the people were – the slide that I have where we were on Larry King Live, they were like, “Oh there’s Larry King.” They were absolutely enthralled with everything and you’re right, they do thirst for knowledge so I really admire what you’re trying to do because there is nothing in the history books. It’s just something that’s been more or less totally ignored I think and it does seem like all over the world we’re having more and more reports of sightings and the kids need to know this and they need to know how to deal with it, what’s coming up, you know, is it a fearful thing? Is there some way they can get a comfort zone going? Now, I noticed that was brought out in your movie that no one who really saw the Phoenix Lights, they weren’t really fearful, they were more in awe. Is that right?
Lynne – Absolutely, in now over eleven years, there has not been one report. Not one. And we certainly would have heard one of threat, harm, or abduction associated with the Phoenix Lights event and not only will this help others to realize – and I don’t know what they are, I just know that they are and it’s time to get this out in the open and accept it and address it and study it. But for those out there who have no knowledge of this or even seen something or just wondering and curious and I know I went through that and I know that there are others that are going through that as well, searching for an answer for what’s happening here. What we tried to do with the documentary is present the data in a non-threatening way so that they can learn and grow and decide on their own. There really isn’t much out there preparing the public for this, and it’s time that we get prepared. It’s not about “if they’re real” anymore, it’s who’s driving them? And others that are just starting to learn about this need to get to that point in a healthful, safe way and hopefully the documentary will help them.
Angelia – Now this conference, The X-Conference 2008 – this is the fourth year for it and it’s been all about disclosure. Do you feel that the United States is moving any closer to releasing any information?
Lynne – That’s another great question, Angelia, because it’s very interesting – when I came out in ’04 there was still – you know, very much secrecy – I was very fortunate – actually Arizona is a model for other places because I had worked in the media doing medical reporting, a lot of the producers and directors of the news stations knew who I was, I had already established my credibility way before, years before. So they welcomed me with open arms and there is no ridicule or laughing any more in Arizona. They take other people’s reports quite seriously, the residents themselves are going out and looking at the sky with cameras in their hands, hoping that they’ll see it. I can’t tell you how many people say they wish they had seen the Phoenix Lights – they’re excited about it. You mentioned before that there was no fear. In fact, six months before the Mass Sighting, “Independence Day” had come out and we are so ingrained – and we addressed this in the documentary – we’re so ingrained – here were children that saw this big craft coming towards them, were scared initially and they were screaming, “Independence Day!, Independence Day!” But as it got closer – in real time – not only adults but children as well had a calmness take over them. Whoever was doing this obviously wanted to be seen. Those people were looking up at the sky at the Hale-Bopp Comet so whoever did this along the most populated corridor of Arizona wanted to be seen but they also – in real time, were calming people. People were in awe. They were in awe and wonder. They felt blessed. Over and over again, I heard this.
Angelia – Now how do you think they were sending that message? Was it something telepathic? I mean, did people feel like they had a real connection just by looking?
Lynne – They did, and maybe it was telepathic. We had some witnesses who totally forgot about the sighting. We had one family in particular that I remember, that was driving up to Phoenix for a swim meet, from Tucson, and this craft was right over their car and they watched it for some, it was right over them and it was extending over the sides of both highways – it was two miles wide – and they forgot all about it. It wasn’t until six months later when they saw a television report about it, that they realized that they all had a Eureka moment. They were told at the time, they were told telepathically. It’s very interesting. Don’t worry about this. This isn’t to scare you. Don’t worry. And they woke up and the whole sighting was really buried until they saw it on TV. But it’s interesting that they expressed that they had a telepathic message while this was happening.
Angelia – So that seems to me that it would be something that our government would take note of, that really this huge craft and all of these hundreds of people that viewed this thing really took it in pretty well, it didn’t cause chaos, it did cause some phone calls to 911 dispatchers and that sort of thing but more-or-less, they just wanted to know what it was. They weren’t panicking.
Lynne – Yes, exactly. And we have a 911 police operator who just came forward to say not only that they got hundreds of calls that night – she’s been there for twenty-four years – never, ever had anything happen like this and the reports were very consistent. Some people just saw lights. Some people actually saw the craft. It was significant that not only were the police out in helicopters – which is brand new information – we never knew that – but they didn’t know what to do with it. And she also shares that nobody was afraid. Not one person was frightened; they were just curious. They didn’t know what to say when people called.
But just going back for a second, you asked about the government, you know they have a job to do and that’s fine. I usually don’t even go there. This is a grass-roots effort. Closure for me is going to come from the people. Once more and more people become aware and are really open to the possibilities, that’s when disclosure is really going to happen. And now that other countries are coming forward – France, Belgium, and Brazil and Mexico and so forth, have thousands of UFO files. It cannot be denied anymore. There is an undercurrent this past year; I’ve seen a big change. In ’04, it was still a real cover-up kind of situation but this past year with a former governor coming forward, saying he actually saw it – he mocked it back eleven years ago – and offended a lot of people.
Angelia – Yes, that did offend quite a few. I’ve watched news reports on that.
Lynne – Oh yeah. Especially the children because the knew what they saw was unearthly in their estimation and here he was coming out with an aide with an alien mask and making a big joke out of it and not taking it seriously. That’s all they asked, was to take it seriously – that’s all I ask is to take it seriously and look at the data. But now he has come out this last year and said he actually saw it and tried to get answers for it and it definitely wasn’t military in his estimation. Well that’s huge. That’s huge. That is a big step and I think that as more and more credible people come forward – and now we are seeing many retired pilots – we have a pilot that actually is a current commercial pilot but he was willing to come forward anonymously and describes this object right above him and does an excellent job of really putting the flare theory to rest once and for all. That was the only explanation that came forward in eleven years even though they tried after three years after they came out with the flare theory – and there was much insistence: “Well fine, if it was flares let’s re-enact it.” They finally did try to re-enact it March 7, 2000 and it was such a joke. It was a dismal failure. And that really confirmed for me and I think a lot of other people – here was their shot – and it was so different, I mean the flares drift, drop, and they leave huge smoke trails. There is no way that they could have kept a rock-solid equidistant formation of lights formation, completely for hours throughout the entire state. It’s impossible.
Angelia – How do you feel about mainstream media? Do you think that they are taking a more serious look? I mean for so long it seemed that if “UFO” was mentioned, then little green men came along with a chuckle in the same phrase.
Lynne – Absolutely, I mean we see time and time again when we look…when I first came forward they would seem to take it seriously but there was always that little chuckle at the end, that little joke at the end. No more, for Arizona; it’s really a model. But for elsewhere and hopefully it will change. I have seen a the change – the fact that you went on Larry King with the Stephenville sighting was huge, because they started comparing it to the Phoenix Lights – were the Phoenix Lights out again. People started looking at the data, which is so important. That’s why I’m out there, that’s why I came forward. So people could just look at the data because it speaks for itself. And the fact that Larry King took it seriously – and what’s really funny now, I’m glad you brought that up – because people such as yourself are so credible. And it is what it is. And Steve Allen and the other people that were good enough and courageous enough to come forward and just share what they saw, they shared their experience and now when they have debunkers on, they don’t have a case. I mean, you can’t argue with real facts and the data. The data speaks for itself and now more people have cell phones, more people have digital cameras that they’re carrying around with them. They can take pictures and it’s documented and cannot be denied or explained.
Angelia – Well you’re so fortunate that you were able to think on your feet and run and get that camera. I know with one of the witnesses, Claudette Odem, she was talking to me before we did Larry King and she said, “Angelia, I had a cell phone right there in my pocket but I was in such awe of what I was looking at, I just never thought to get it out.”
Lynne – That’s a good point because so many people during the Mass Sighting, some people did take a camera out and tried to take a picture but it was so massive it blocked out the stars. It was night, it was dark. The pictures didn’t turn out. Many more people were just so mesmerized and in awe. This was something that they had no reference for. It was such an experience .. they didn’t have even the thought to get their camera because they were just so in awe of what was happening. And originally, even when I saw it up close in ’95, and I’m staring at these orbs and my first thought was to go get my video camera but it was all the way downstairs and I didn’t know how long it would last. So I tried to take everything in mentally and I’m sure that’s what a lot of people tried to do – so unusual and wondrous and the size, shape, color and here I’m looking and these orbs …there were three distinct – and this is ingrained in my brain – there were three distinct objects that were very closely aligned together, one on top and the others lying underneath. And it didn’t flare although I noticed every other light out there flared and then suddenly, as I’m watching this – now they could have just as easily disappeared, and that would have been that, but I just thought, If I don’t get a picture of this, nobody’s going to believe it. And luckily enough I had my camera hidden away in a closet and I went to grab it and my husband called me back and said one of them was disappearing – and as we watched I didn’t take a picture of this – we were so ingrained in what’s happening – it started to tip, the top orb started to dim like it was on a dimmer switch like it went somewhere after it disappeared but it didn’t move – like it was still there after it disappeared and I was mindful enough to go out onto the balcony and shoot the picture of the lower two orbs. And then again, I was mesmerized. As intently as I was looking at these two bottom orbs, it felt that an intelligence was watching me. It just felt like that. And going through my mind, I thought Who are you? What are you? Do you know that I’m here, I’d love to meet you. Those were the exact thoughts that I thought and the next thing I remember the left bottom orb started to disappear and I quickly shot a picture of that. And…you know, the rest is history.
Angelia – Being an MD, Dr. Kitei had a lot to lose and we’re so fortunate that she did decide to come forward and really educate people. This movie is incredible. I just think everybody should see it. Now tell us again the name of the movie and when it’s coming out and where they can pick it up.
Lynne – Okay thank you, it’s called, “The Phoenix Lights, We Are Not Alone.” It will be available on April 22nd in all the DVD stores: Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, and other stores. Just ask for it. And also on amazon.com and I just have to add, it’s so funny – the book has been #1 under UFOs on amazon.com for over two years. In one week – and that’s when you were on Larry King – in one week, it was #2. And it held strong; it was just the eleventh anniversary, this new version is on there too. It’s on amazon.com if you’d like to get it there and again, the reason I’m doing this, besides being an educator feeling obliged to share this vital issue as I’ve been doing for thirty years for health issues. All I say is just look at it and make up your own mind. Everybody’s coming from a different background, different mindset, so it’s going to take some people longer than others. It took me over seven years for it to really sink in so I totally understand if people just deny it or look for a logical explanation like flares that gives them comfort but that’s okay. Everyone in their own time. But the information is there if they want to look at it and learn and grow. I think we’re in for some very exciting stuff and it’s an amazing, amazing time in history.
Angelia – I feel so fortunate having met you here and I don’t think this will be our last conversation. I think I have a lot that I can learn from you and I look forward to talking to you again and I really appreciate your taking time out to do this interview with me.
Lynne – Certainly. And thank you for helping me share, to let other people know that this is available and for what you’re doing. You are incredible. That’s what it takes. It takes people of credence to come forward and tell their own story. Yes, most things can be explained but there’s a small percentage of things that cannot. Just because we might not have the technology yet to definitively define what they are, doesn’t mean they’re not real. And the more people that do come forward and share make it easier for other people to come forward. That’s what all this is about. That’s when real disclosure will happen.
Angelia Joiner interviews Robert Emenegger at X-Con 2008
Angelia – I’m here with Robert Emenegger and actually we’re still in the ballroom. We just finished a marathon speakers panel, didn’t we Bob?
Bob – It was horrendous.
Angelia – It was at least two hours and we did get some interesting questions but we’re glad that’s over, right?
Bob- Yes, it’s all behind us for now.
Angelia – I first met Bob at the Ozark Conference last week and we’ve already become great friends and we’re having so much fun that we really haven’t talked that much about the whole UFO phenomena, right?
Bob- That’s true.
Angelia – Okay, so tell me how you got involved in this.
Bob – Well, I don’t know how much you want to know about it, but I was the creative director of Gray Advertising in Southern California, the Los Angeles office, and during the Nixon re-election period I was asked to be consultant to Nixon’s campaign, and I met with him. We had a couple of meetings and decided that Nixon should stay low in television except emphasize his trip to China.
Angelia – Right.
Bob – So I had a friend who had a film studio at the same time, and we did a couple of films that were to help the Department of Defense. One was on a program to help young men determine whether they had an alcohol or drug problem, believe it or not, and I had Rod Sterling as the host of that.
Angelia – Wow!
Bob – Then we worked on the show for the shuttle, reporting on the shuttle and making people realize how little it cost to keep the shuttles going. The next thing – we both decided – let’s try and give the Department of Defense sort of an image lift. So we went out to Norton Air Force Base because my partner had had some dealings – I had been stationed in North Korea in much earlier years, much earlier anyway. So we met with them and then we started discussing how the public would feel. You know to get an idea of the positive side. I suggested, why don’t we pull up the Merrimac of the Navy (something indistinguishable) They were doing raster research. ARPA was an Advanced Research Project Agency so they took us to Maryland where we met with for instance a scientist who (indistinguishable) thinking into a computer and the computer was picking up, I think they said, about seven or eight of his words just by an attachment to his brain. He was trying to figure out how that was possible.
Angelia – Well, this is amazing.
Bob – Yeah, that was a long time ago. And then, three-dimensional moving holograms…if you could create an illusion … I heard it was demonstrated (indistinguishable) one of the military… not military, but the military provided (indistinguishable) But, they had a man standing on the stage and they put a hologram of a parrot sitting on his shoulder. But, anyway, it’s much more complex now. And, there were other programs so we then discussed them and we were taken in to what’s called the clean room. CIA did their training films at Norton. As we sat there he said to us, “Of course there was security all over the place. What would you think if we told you there was an alien craft that landed at Holloman Air Force Base early in June or May of ’71 and our temporary duty photographers shot pictures of it?”
Angelia –What did you think?
Bob- Well, number one, my wife used to look at the tabloids, you know. I had an alien baby and all that. I’d say, Margaret, that’s my wife’s name, I’d say, please, don’t read that crap.
Angelia laughs.
Bob – Well, so here I am confronted with somebody telling me maybe there is a reality to it and I really scratched my head. I was trying to think he must be serious. He said, “Well look, if you’re interested in that we’ll make a contact with you with the DOD Pentagon, but bury that underneath this other project.” So, off we went.
Angelia – Wow.
Bob – But we did go and visit all of these other projects.
Angelia – So you were invited to do something on this craft?
Bob – Yes, exactly, that was the carrot if you want to call it that. And, obviously there was a window of opportunity where they wanted this information out. I’m assuming this. So off we go the Pentagon.
Angelia – And what year was this?
Bob – ’73 something like that. So off we go to the Pentagon and it was a long time ago, but it was the only time so far that that has happened.
Angelia – Okay, yes.
Bob – So we went there – we didn’t sign in. We were waylaid by security. They said, “We don’t like the idea that you’re getting into UFO stuff because it ties up the telephone lines to the Pentagon,” blah, blah, blah.
Angelia again laughs.
Bob – My partner had the sense to say, “Yeah, but we were invited.” (The reply was) “Oh, all right,” so off we went to our first meeting, which was a Col. Coleman who was a Pentagon spokesman. Standing in the hall at the Pentagon he said, “Listen, you come across information that national security is infringed on (or whatever) you can be put in jail and fined.” I thought, gosh, what a way to start.
Angelia – Well, weren’t you thinking, why am I here?
Bob – Yes, so we went inside his office. He said, “Well, I’ve got to tell you when I was flying a B-25 over Alabama with a seven-man crew I pursued one. We saw it kicking up a vortex of dust over a plowed field.” A B-25 is not very fast so he put it in full throttle. The thing went up behind a tree and he lost it. Now, here’s the man that is supposed to interface with the press saying that…giving the reports on Project Blue Book. So anyway, next he said, “Oh, I’ll tell you somebody who could be helpful. I’m going to call George.” I thought, okay. The phone call is made; the meeting is set up to meet Col. George R. Weinbrenner, Commander of Foreign Technology, which is the spy center of the Air Force. So, dutifully, I went over there, down a hallway with all of these cameras. It’s a nerve center.
Angelia — It’s a big deal.
Bob – Yeah, it really was a big deal. Most people say Foreign Technology!? Because that’s where all the real important stuff is passed through. I went up to George Weinbrenner’s desk. I said, “Colonel, uh, what about the landing at Holloman Air Force Base of an alien craft?” And, you know, what I expected him to say was what the hell are you talking about. But, you know he didn’t! He said, “Well, you know, the Soviets know everything about us. They have copies of what we print. They know about all our society, our planes, our (whatnot…Bob’s thought) We have a hard time. We had the, (Bob interjects here, I guess it was the Israelis) captured one of the Russian MiGs.”
Angelia – And, he just spoke up freely?
Bob – Yeah, quite freely. And then I thought, well especially after I asked the question, and he answers with MiGs and things. He drew a picture of a MiG on a blackboard. I was like, oh, okay.
Angelia – And, you’re still thinking about Margaret…I’ve got to tell Margaret this.
Bob laughs – Or, did he hear my question? The next thing he said was, “Well you know, what we’re working on now is the Soviets have developed, uh, it’s called weather alteration, which is when their troops are moving through an area they can create a rain storm,” he said, “but we’ve got the best scientists working on counter strategies.” I thought, gosh, okay. So he said, “First a scientist like this,” and he put a book in my lap, which said to Col. Weinbrenner signed by Dr.Allan Hynek (scientific adviser to USAF on UFOs) and the book was all about UFOs.
Angelia – Oh, my.
Bob – So, I suppose if somebody was listening they wouldn’t know what just happened. So he said, “ You know, I had some Mexican,” that’s what he said. He could have said Hispanic but (he said) “some Mexican officer working for me and he told all kinds of stories about the fact that we had three little frozen bodies down in the basement.” I thought, okay. Next thing I get a phone call and Hector Quintanilla who is head of Project Blue Book… I thought what the ??? He said George Weinbrenner asked if I could work with you and help you. The next thing another Col. came in, Bob Friend who… he was before Quintanilla. Little by little this team came together (indistinguisable) Jacques Vallee. And, carte blanche to do whatever we wanted back then.
Angelia – Now, you found them very helpful. They were sending you help and…
Bob – Oh, absolutely and as a matter of fact I asked Col. Coleman one time… recently… years and years passed and I asked him, “Why did you just tell me? Why were you so open?” He said, “The secretary of the Air Force ordered it to be that way.”
Angelia – Wow! And it’s so different now or it appears to be different.
Bob – So, not only that it must have been the Secretary of Defense because the Navy cooperated with us, the Army, and the Navy were working with dolphins. We had complete help from everybody. So we proceeded with the project and I said, “Look, I don’t know that much about UFOs,” and I really didn’t. I said, “Now, you’ve had about 12,000 cases, let’s concentrate on about five of them that you couldn’t resolve.” So, that’s the ones we chose.
Angelia – Five they were not able to identify.
Bob – Yes, there were more of them, but I thought well… we’ll concentrate on the ones that were most dramatic.
Angelia – And, so you did a documentary on just these five.
Bob – Yeah, five or maybe six of them, with the things that we looked into. First of all, I had Bill Coleman walk through the E ring at the Pentagon telling about their involvement with the military, how they took it seriously and they made it top secret, and then he said, “You know maybe it shouldn’t be,” and then (Indistinguishable) General Hoyt Vandenberg said, “Well there’s not enough evidence,” and I was following them around in the E ring. You could see five stars — five star generals’ offices — and a military leader walked through the scene.
Angelia – This is just an amazing story.
Bob – Well, the reason I’m telling you this is I come to an event like this and everybody is saying, they’re hiding things, they’re not telling, they’ve got secrets, and I don’t know what to say to them. I did not find that so. So, let me think. Then we took some of the cases that were more traditional and then a couple of them such as a helicopter pilot and his team – Army – uh, was flying somewhere in the south and they described…he’s being interviewed by Col. Friend, one of the heads of Project Blue Book. They said they were flying along on an easterly direction, I forget what they call the direction in the military, but anyway they said they saw an object approaching from off on their right side. And, it kept coming faster and faster and they said the whole crew, in fact each one of the crew members said, “Yeah we thought it was going to hit us. It was coming straight at us so everybody was preparing for an impact.” He said, “I’ve never been in an impact in the air,” so he described it as a cigar shape. He said you could see stars reflecting off the metal surface, and it hid whatever was behind…meaning, you know, you couldn’t see through it. As it came closer, finally it came over them and he said a pyramid shaped green beam came and turned all of the night flying lights, red, which is night flying to green which is this pyramid green thing. So, Col. Coyne he was a Major at the time, said he put the helicopter into a descent and it should be going down at a thousand and so many feet per second.
Angelia – They were ready to get out of there.
Bob – Totally. Now, he looks at the altimeter and they’re being pulled up over thirteen hundred feet per minute. He said they started around twelve hundred feet and said they topped out at almost four thousand feet, and the thing went off and then when he came down, Bob Friend, Col. Friend, interviewed him. So, Friend knew the kind of questions to ask and Coyne and his crew said, “Look, we’ve got all of these years and all I can do is…I’m reporting as it happened without trying to speculate as to what happened. And we don’t know what it was, just reporting what happened.”
Angelia—If this is the military telling you this then you’re fairly certain it wasn’t something military experimental?
Bob – No, exactly. There were other cases where something landed in Socorro, which is an old story. A sheriff saw the thing. He was driving around and he saw the thing off in the distance and thought it was an overturned car so he called in, and said, “I’m going to be out of the car checking, I think, an overturned car.” He looked down on this little craft and said, “My God it was an A shaped object with…” he noticed a symbol on the side and he said as soon as he saw it, he saw a pair of legs and what he referred to as overalls. I mean he was really… and he said they were hanging from a clothesline.
Angelia laughing.
Bob –I’m like… gosh, what a description… Anyway he said as soon as they saw him the craft let out a roar and lifted up about 20 feet and became silent and went off. The Air Force went down and looked. They took propellant residue tests to test for propellant residue, the weight of the beings, and the size of the craft. They took it very seriously, and they really did a lot of analysis. They said it was an unknown. They thought maybe it was a test module for NASA all the way up the Whitehouse command post and they…
Angelia – And, they couldn’t find out anything?
Bob – No, nothing. They even went to a congressional hearing on other landings and one that was very interesting was where there was a psychological uh, a naval commander, I think it was a naval admiral, sent two of his naval commanders up to meet with a woman named Mrs. Francis Swan and they had heard she was doing contacts with some alien.
Angelia – This is incredible.
Bob – So, they asked her questions… technical questions, and the way they put it was … she answered these technical questions with seeming telepathic help from this alien or whatever it was.
Angelia – So it was something she really didn’t have a knowledge base in but she was coming up with the right answers.
Bob – No (she didn’t), exactly. So then she said that they are willing to speak through you…one of those naval commanders. He asked, “What do I do? I mean… I don’t understand.” She said, ”Just relax and ask to be in contact with them.” All of a sudden he began making a contact. That information went back to the CIA, which were the only ones involved…the Air Force guys and they had a, well, they brought him down to a …the building is still in Washington, D.C., it was the CIA building but the bottom floors were parking so nobody knew they were up there at the top.
Angelia – So he began…
Bob – So here these CIA guys and the Air Force guys are asking him questions. The Navy guy… he was the one they were asking the questions and they asked him, “Are they or do they favor any nation?” “No.” “Do they favor any particular religion?” “No.” I mean I thought they were asking kind of dumb questions. “Is there going to a third world war?” “No.” “Can we see a craft?” He said, “Yes. Go to the window and you will have your proof.” Now, what they all did is they went to a particular window that was over in the corner of the building. You could see the Whitehouse way back in the background and they saw it. They saw this craft and they said they called for a radar confirmation and it came back that that quadrant of the sky was blanked out on radar at that time.
Angelia – I would have liked to have been there for that.
Bob – Me, too. Now, listen, I was told this by Col. Friend, who was… well it was his job to run this system. There was a man named Lundahl, a CIA guy, which I asked would he be in the thing, he said, “Look, I’m still on duty, the guys are still on duty. It’s embarrassing, I won’t.”
Angelia — He was uncomfortable.
Bob – Very uncomfortable, exactly. So, Bob Friend took him into another room and said, “Would you answer a few questions for me?” He said, “Yes,” and his Adam’s apple begins bouncing up and down.
Angelia – So he’s nervous.
Bob – That was the guy doing the communicating.
Angelia – Oh…
Bob – So not Bob Friend… Bob Friend is cool.
Angelia – Oh, I see.
Bob—I can’t imagine what it looked like but so he said, “Can you give us the names of any of these beings?” And he said, “One is Crill.” He wrote C-R-I-L-L. Alamar, I believe (another name) and then he said, “AFFA,” which is reportedly from the planet Uranus so I mean they’re just reporting this stuff like you know asking, where did you go last week?
Angelia—Could he have been making it up as he went along?
Bob – Anything is possible, but the fact that you back up and said that he told them to go look out the window because…
Angelia – Oh, yeah, the window thing, yeah, that’s pretty important. There it is. You’re given the instruction go to the window, and there it is.
Bob – Now, the reason I put that in the special is I wanted people to see… Look, these guys are screwing around with things that if they all thought it was BS, they would not be reporting this. The same with the helicopter people. They were all going, oh, there’s nothing to it. Here are these guys reporting it. There were several cases like that. Then we reached the point where I thought we were going to show the landing at Holloman Air Force Base and I thought it would be on film. And, Coleman said, “Look, we’ve decided that it’s too sensitive, that Watergate has just happened,” blah, blah, blah. So we had to end up doing it in animation. But, I had all of the instructions of where this craft — back to the craft — where it landed, who came out, where did they meet, where was the craft stored for a few days. (Military film footage of the actual landing was not forthcoming as Emenegger and his partner had been told it would be.)
Angelia – Who did come out?
Bob – Well, by the drawing… remember I…we were limited by what the head of security described the film to us.
Angelia—Okay.
Bob – It looked like a UFO shape, you know three pods, the door slid open and two or three men, short by our standards and, I guess they were men, with a head dress of some sort, stepped forward and they seemed to communicate, which gave the idea that maybe this was prearranged. (Indistinguishable) They asked them questions. Now, I’m only going by what they told me.
Angelia – Right.
Bob—They asked the visitors, “Do you recognize these radio signals? Are they yours?” And they answered back, “They’re not ours. We don’t know whose they are.” Then they went into some inner office. The craft, they told me which building they put it in, which is no longer there. Somebody from Wright Patterson was like an attendant to them — a CIA guy named Alfonso Lorenzo, wherever you are Alfonso.
Angelia – Call us.
Bob – Yeah, call us.
Angelia – That’s just an amazing story you were told. What were you thinking? I mean, were you just kind of taken aback by the whole thing?
Bob – I think so.
Angelia – Were you like… I’m so sorry that I made fun of my wife?
Bob laughing—I do that, no… I wanted to tell you that… Are we late for our thing? (Bob was referring to a wrap up meeting in Steven Bassett’s suite. And Angelia nods to indicate a yes answer.)
Bob – Okay, we’ll finish it up. The only change they had in our script with Rod Sterling was, when he said, “Now, we go to the future. This is an event that may happen in the future or perhaps it has already happened.” And then we go to Holloman with all the sirens running and the truck running out to the field.
Angelia – And, it was animated, that part?
Bob – That was live action except when the craft came down. But, they did send up two jets of some sort, I don’t know what they were, to escort this thing down so everybody cooperated. There were guys down at the end of the field going, “Okay, can we go now?” “Yeah, go.” They roar past us. That was real to escort this thing down. Well, this was in a different time, so they weren’t going anywhere. They were just doing it for us.
Angelia – Right.
Bob – The craft was taken to a hangar at the end of Mars Avenue, as I was told, but I went to the air base. I went to the air base to ask questions of the radar people and one radar guy. I said, “It must’ve really been something when that thing came down.” He said, “Yeah, it sure was, you mean the flying bathtub?”
Angelia – Flying bathtub?
Bob – I said, yeah, it was. I said, “What did you think?” He said, “We don’t talk about it.” He said, “You ought to talk to the photographic team; maybe they can tell you more.”
Angelia—Did they have pictures?
Bob – Those guys were no longer on duty so it was like me asking, you know, the people who lived in your house 10 years ago. They weren’t around.
Angelia – So you never saw any photos?
Bob – I didn’t and I have to admit it. But, then I went down to Mars Avenue where the craft was taken and there was a guy in one of those blue… you know, an officer drove us down there and he said, “Well, let’s look and see. There’s the building that you were asking for.” So it was sort of hard to get in so he had a crow bar so we crow barred open this little hangar, you know, he’s as curious as I am, I guess, and there wasn’t anything in it but a couple of jet engines. You know, what do I expect? Like a few years later, it’s not there anymore. So we went back and I had Leon Festinger send out the scenario of the landing at Holloman AFB to five leading social psychologists. How would the public react? Most of them said, “Well, I think they’re all ready to believe that UFOs are real or if there was a danger of families being pulled apart then that would be a problem,” and then one of them said that famous line, what we really need is an attack or an invasion from outer space so that we can join together as one species and drive the enemy away and, therefore, to live in peace thereafter. Which is, you know, good luck.
Angelia – Saying that we would unite the world that way.
Bob – Yes, but he did add… what was that he added? Anyway, that was said, and then several years later that’s exactly what Reagan was saying, “Yeah, we need to have an invasion,” etc. And, everybody thinks that maybe Reagan made that up. Well, I was called back again after several years for the Reagan administration and went through the same thing. You know (Reagan’s staff said) we’d like to get some more information, but it didn’t come to pass. You know the film interestingly enough was nominated for a Golden Globe award.
Angelia – What was the name of it?
Bob – It was called “UFOs: Past, Present and Future.” And it was made an update later with Jacques Vallee, which was longer, and called “UFOs: It Has Begun,” but it wasn’t the same. There were animal mutilations and people being abducted and I just didn’t… that wasn’t pure. This original one was very pure.
Angelia – Can people still see that film?
Bob—Well if they… If I could cut out the crap that was in the update then the original was all in there.
Angelia – Okay, I see. Well, do you have a copy of the original?
Bob—I have something I made, a forty-five minute DVD with the guts of it, and I think I gave it to these people. I could get a copy of that, and you can watch it. I think I have a copy of it upstairs.
Angelia – Well, it would be interesting just to see, if somehow, you could mass produce it again and get it out to people.
Bob – Well somebody has produced it and stuck it with another thing and I just hate the idea that it was sort of a cheese ball… it’s a DVD, but it just doesn’t feel the same.
Angelia—Right. Just keep it original.
Bob—Yes, what did I want to tell you? Oh, yes, I know what it was. Here I come to a conference like this, and I hear people sitting around and saying the government is hiding something… you know, they’re never going to come out with disclosure.
Angelia – Conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy.
Bob – And, so even when I tell them about this, and those who have seen it, it’s like, “Oh no, well it’s a conspiracy.”
Angelia – It’s still…(others believe) there is still some sort of cover up.
Bob—How open can the guys be?
Angelia—But, then it seemed like you got so much cooperation and they were even sending people to help you and people were ordered to talk to you.
Bob—Yes, correct.
Angelia – And, now, it just seems like the coin has flipped completely.
Bob – They’re not… I doubt if they’re going to talk to anybody for a long time. They originally talked to Disney several years before us, but it didn’t culminate. So I guess this was the moment they decided to cooperate and I don’t understand how these UFO people don’t look at that thing and say, my God, they’re so open — they admit there are these crafts — they admit there are beings. So what’s the deal?
Angelia—So, Bob, are you convinced that we have an ET presence?
Bob – Strange enough… with everything I know… I still. It’s very possible, but I don’t think we’re in cooperation…kind of like we have deals with the aliens to work with them. That doesn’t seem like…those people or whoever they were seem more terrestrial.
Angelia – Than extraterrestrial? Okay.
Bob – Yes, these little… so, yeah, but anyway.
Angelia – So there may be an ET presence, you’re kind of on the fence a little bit.
Bob – Yes, but I know that we see things flying around. People describe them.
Angelia – But, there’s so many sightings all over the world.
Bob – Yes, and it’s getting greater and greater, so I would say this may be a trial run with someone that’s a little closer, and then the ones that are in a higher dimension are kind of following suit. I don’t know… I can’t answer it. I was, you know, I didn’t know a thing about UFOs, and then within six months… from zero… you know, I’m still overwhelmed. Probably, if I knew what I know now, I’d ask a lot more questions.
Angelia — Do you follow the stories that are out there and keep up at all?
Bob – Not especially, no, only I sort of read little accounts, and I realize well, that’s been going on for a long time.
Angelia – Right, I understand.
Bob – I’m thinking…that doesn’t seem new to me. Until somebody comes up with something that is quite new and they can prove it… that’s why I was saying to all these people, you know we need a truth tester for the stuff that people are talking about so we can determine what’s true and what’s just bull.
Angelia laughs.
Bob – I think there’s a lot of just wading through a lot of bull. I don’t want to point any fingers at anybody because already I’m sure they’d get pissed.
Angelia – Well, you know you do have a lot of people at these conferences I suppose, you know, because they know you are a speaker…
Bob – I don’t think so.
Angelia – And they come up to you and want to tell their story. They’re just…
Bob – Well, see when Bassett put me in, he didn’t even know who I was or what I’d done. I just got slipped in on Friday afternoon and I wanted to show the whole film, then allow people to ask questions, but they just…
Angelia – Right…
Bob – I put in eleven minutes of it.
Angelia – Bob, you know the title of my presentation was “The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly of UFO Reporting” and you are definitely the good. I’ve made so many new friends, and I just have a feeling that you and I will stay in contact for a long time.
Bob—Of course, especially because you remind me of Terry, my old buddy.
Angelia laughs.
Bob—I just think oh, it’s Terry, in another incarnation.
Angelia laughing – So, I don’t know about you, but I’m probably going to go home and sleep for about three days, now.
Bob – I did some interviews that people asked me to do, and it was like all of a sudden in the middle of one I was sort of tired, and then I’d go well then… am I telling them the story right? I think once you’ve done it you just get burned out by all of it.
Angelia — Right, I know what you mean. Okay, that was Robert Emenegger, and we are just finishing up the 2008 X Conference, and we will be going to the press conference in the morning. Are you going, Bob?
Bob – Well, I don’t necessarily want to because there is not enough… well I don’t think so, but I’m going to go to the airport. I may go over there and watch and then go on to the airport.
Angelia — Oh, okay. Well, I will be there, and I really enjoyed talking with you, and give me call.
Bob – AngeLIA, it was a pleasure and your story was so straight and honest and there was one other person, Marcel, who didn’t elaborate on anything, just told it as it is, and that’s the way these things should be. But, you know a lot of people start telling a story and people listening go…ooh … if they’ll buy that, what if I told them this.
Angelia laughs — Okay, thank you very much.
Stephenville Lights Reporter, Angelia Joiner in The UFO Spotlight
Angelia Joiner
Area woman garners fame since seeing UFO
By Jane Pratt
Reporter-News
4-4-08
STEPHENVILLE — Garnering international attention was the last thing on Angelia Joiner’s mind when she interviewed Steve Allen on Jan. 8 and reported on UFO sightings in Erath County in the Stephenville Empire-Tribune.
But today, she still receives 30 to 40 e-mails daily from all over the world about the sightings, and she will be the guest speaker at two conferences on UFO’s during the month of April.
Joiner will join eight other speakers during the 20th Annual Ozark UFO Conference that meets April 11-13 in Eureka Springs, Ark. Then, the next week, she will fly to Washington, D.C., where she will make a presentation during the Paradigm Research Group’s conference from April 18-20.
The Ozark UFO Conference is an independent activity not affiliated with any local of national UFO organization that promotes information on UFO-related topics.
The Paradigm Research Group was established in 1996 by Stephen Bennett, a political activist and consultant. The group’s Web site states that the purpose of the group is to promote ways to stop the government-imposed embargo on facts “surrounding extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race.”
The title of Joiner’s presentation is “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of UFO Reporting.”
Joiner said the “good” part of UFO reporting is the number of new people she has met and old friendships that have been renewed when people she had lost touch with contacted her after seeing her on national television or reading about her in newspapers or on the Internet.
She said an artist who has designed T-shirts and special edition art cards is going to Washington to meet with her and television producer and journalist Linda Moulton Howe. She said some of the “bad” is simply trying to answer all the e-mail she receives.
She did not elaborate on the “ugly.”
Steve Allen had started a Web site about the local UFO sightings but stepped up his efforts after Joiner left the local paper.
“He wanted me to have a place to write,” Joiner said. “The first day Stephenville Lights went on line was Feb. 10.”
The site, www.stephenvillelights.com, carries stories from Joiner and other writers who have an interest in UFO sightings. It also advertises T-shirts and special edition art cards designed by artist Mark Medford of Maine.
“This has been a real education,” Joiner said. “Before I was pretty passive about UFOs. If I saw something on TV, I would think it was interesting, but I really didn’t pay much attention. Now I have the UFO bug.”
She does not know what the future holds for her. “Who knows? I may write a book,” she said.
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